president biden is a very experienced debater, but i think his challenge here is to have a little bit of energy, to have a smile, but to also survive against paul ryan, who though inexperienced on the national stage, is quite intelligent. i think we'll be bringing a lot of numbers, a lot of analysis to the debate. but biden has that populous touch. i think it will really help him. >> it really is going to be fascinating to watch on thursday and talk about as well. who do you think is going to win that thing, robert? >> i think it's going to be a draw. it's more important for paul ryan to come out with that threshold of being in executive office. >> nia-malika? >> i got to go draw too, play it safe. >> you guys. you newspaper people. keith, i know your answer. i'll ask you anyway. >> biden is clearly going to win this debate. he's a great debater. ryan is going to be on the defensive. >> thank you so much. appreciate your time, as always. >> thanks, craig. >> i'll be back next weekend for more coverage of all of the developments on the campaign trail. it is all here on msnbc, the place for polit